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CRINER Isaac

Male 1783 - 1876


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  • Name  CRINER Isaac 
    Born  22 Apr 1783  Probably Hawkins County,Tennessee Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender  Male 
    _UID  D1EF1F7152EC1D44AF51504D03A30FA4E5C9 
    Died  18 Dec 1876  Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID  I2745  Ancestors of Catherine Yvonne King | The Ancestors and Descendants of Johan Jakob Brown/Braun the "Waggonmaker".
    Last Modified  23 Apr 2006 

    Family  MCCAIN *Nancy,   b. 15 Jul 1791, Wax, Probably Hawkins County, Tenneessee Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 23 Jul 1842, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married  Abt 1814  Madison County, Mississippi Territory/Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
    >1. CRINER *Lucinda,   b. 22 Aug 1816, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 12 Aug 1898, Marshall County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     2. CRINER Alfred,   b. 2 Feb 1818, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     3. CRINER Rebecca Jane,   b. 22 Nov 1819, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     4. CRINER Mahala,   b. 15 Jan 1821, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     5. CRINER Mary Ann,   b. 22 Mar 1822, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     6. CRINER William Calvin,   b. 18 Nov 1823, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     7. CRINER Almyra,   b. 16 May 1825, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     8. CRINER Isaac McClure,   b. 25 Nov 1827, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     9. CRINER Nancy,   b. 21 Apr 1829, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     10. CRINER Elizabeth Eleanor,   b. 29 Apr 1831, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     11. CRINER Louisa,   b. 11 Mar 1833, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
     12. CRINER Martha Woodson,   b. 6 Feb 1836, Madison County, Alabama Find all individuals with events at this location
    Family ID  F921  Group Sheet

  • Notes 
    • SOURCE NOTES FOR ISAAC CRINER:

      OBITUARY OF ISAAC CRINER OUR FIRST SETTLER:
      Huntsville, Alabama. " Independent " copied by Pauline J. Gandrud. Huntsville, AL issue of January 18,1877. Probably written by Joseph Rice, or his son Francisco Rice, who were local historians, although
      the paper give's no names.

      Sketch of one who came to Madison County seventy five years ago.

      Editor Independent: Thinking that a sketch of the life of Isaac Criner, who departed this life on the 18th of
      December, 1876 would be interesting to your many readers, I write it fore you. We suppose that he was
      the oldest man in Madison County, having been born on the 22nd day of April 1779 or 1783 ( upon which
      there is a difference of opinion in the minds of the family ). Certain it is that he was the oldest settler in this county, as he and his uncle Joseph Criner and cousin Stephen McBroom were the first white men that ever settled in the county. As to the year there is also a difference of opinion. Your correspondent has known him for near a half century, thinks he came to what is called old Madison in the year 1802, new Madison then being in the possession of the Cherokee Indians. Again, it is certain that in the year he moved over on the Indian territory, where he was burned out and otherwise molested by the Regulars, as they were then called.

      Joseph Criner and McBroom died near Maysville on Hurricane Creek in this county many years ago.

      We are aware that we occupy grounds that are controverted when we say that the Criners and McBrooms were the first settlers, since some of the Hunt family claim that John Hunt, the founder of
      your city, was the first. Now Messrs. Editors, the colony which accompanied John Hunt was not less than the third that entered this territory. After the Criners, a colony headed by Samuel Davis came into this territory, arriving the year before Hunt.

      There are some of them who left families and came and selected their places to settle. Samuel Davis
      settled the place where Huntsville now stands, cut his house logs and laid the foundation of his house and otherwise improved the spot, and returned for his family, and when he got back with his family he
      the said Hunt, had got there and completed the house on Davis' foundation. Davis then came out and
      settled at what is now known as the Ward ( Word ) place in the neighberhood of New Market.
      Then came the Walkers and Campbells and settled Hickory Flat, and about the same time the Browns, Rices, Matthews and McCain came and settled on the fork of the Flint River. The latter settled at the McFarland place ( now owned by Isham Fennel ) who's daughter Isaac Criner married about the year 1810. They raised nine daughters and three sons, all of whom were so trained as to be strict observers of the 5th Commandment. When Isaac came to this neighberhood with his mother ( the two composed the family ) theu had but little property, but by his industry and economy raised and educated his children and accumulated a handsome fortune, and he said that he could say in truth, that in all his dealings with his fellow men, he had strictly observed the Golden Rule. If he had ever done anything wrongfully he did not know it. And that if he had his life to live over again, so far as hid worldly dealings were concerned he did not know wherein he could better it. Is that of itself a rich inheritance to his six surviving daughters and grand and great grandchildren? Those who were acquainted with him believed every word he said. Whatever could be said of any man's good qualities and virtues necessary to make him a husband, father, master and citizen in the full sense of these terms, could be said of Isaac Criner. His habits of life were strictly temprate in eating, drinking, sleeping and work. He used neither whiskey nor tobacco, but little coffee or hot tea. His spring is about 200 feet from his dwelling, and until the last four years, his habit was to go to that spring every morning, winter and summer, cold or hot, and wash and bathe his head, a return to the house before using a towell, many times with his hair frozen upon his head. We think the manner of living had much to do with his health and length of life. We have said that the deceased did not know how he could improve his life temporally, but he could not say so much for his life spiritually. He said that if he had his life to go over, he could make improvements in that respect. One point of regret, was his profanity when young, but for all his sins, he felt that God in his mercy had forgiven him, and he had no fears as to the future. Though he had been a professor of religion for many years, he never joined any Church. If we had no other evidence of his parapet of heart to meet his God in peace, we think the simple fact of his knowledge of his guilt and regret of misspent life with his faith in the mercy of God would be enough, since nothing but the light revealed from Heaven could convince a man of his sin and guilt that had lived the life of morality as did Isaac Criner. Therefore, we may say to the bereft " sorrow not as those who have no hope".

      Notes:
      1. "Regulars" were the United States soldiers stationed in the area to prevent the whites from encroaching on the Indians.

      2. " the Browns" may be George T. Jones wife's kin. " McCain was Nancy Criners father. By running the land records back through Fennel and McFarland, we determined that the SW 1/4 of Section 6, Township #2, Range 2-East was originally entered by Robert McCain, who assigned the certificate before it was fully paid out, and last payment made, and patent recieved by William Griffin, 5 October 1819.

      3. As explained elsewhere, Isaac and Nancy must have been married about 1814.

      4. The writer forgot Isaac's youngest brother Granville, who had moved to Texas long before Isaac's death. None of his other brothers ( or sisters, if any ) ever lived here, although his brother John was in Lincoln County, Tennessee for some years

      The above notes pertain to references in the sketch on Isaac Criner. These notes and the following Criner-McCain outline were researched and compiled by Alabama genealogist Mrs. Gandrud who was a great grandaughter of Isaac Criner.

      CRINER-McCAIN:

      The Criner's were very evidently a family which did not spend its time talking of their kin. When investigations started, it was quickly apparent that Isaac Criner's grandaughters Clara Dean Moore and Elvalena ( Moore ) Jones had never heard any discussions regarding their ancestry. They had know Isaac Criner, who did not die until 1876, when they were fairly good sized children. They were raised by their aunts Mahala and Almyra, but all they know was that their grandmother" had been a McCain" and that she had a brother Bob. They knew Joseph Criner was an uncle of Isaac's that Granville was his brother, and " the McBrooms were kin".

      After many years, and help from other distant relatives,we have put together what we believe to be a fairly accurate summery. There was in the family, the tradition that the Criners came from Germany, and as is so often a legend, there was a " fortune " over there, awaiting claimants. The fortune is probaby fantasy, but the German origin seems true. There were many Creiners, Kreiners, etc. in pre-Revolutionary Pennsylvania, the gateway for immigrants of the Palatines.

      The first of the family that we can definely claim is John Criner, a Revolutionary soldier, of Virginia and Tennessee.

      From Sumners' Annuls of Southest Virginia" we get:
      7March, 1775. Fincastle County, Virginia. John Criner one of the tithables to keep up the road from Michael Price's field where Gresham's path goes into the Ctawba Road ( page #640).

      17 August, 1779. Washington County, Virginia. Ordered that Col. Evan Shelby, administrator of Martin Statzer, pay John Criner fourty five pounds exclusive of the five bushels of corn he already got for taking care of Martin Stutzer (sic ) while he was ill of his wound. ( page # 1042)

      18 May, 1779, Washington County, Virginia. Col. Evan Shelby granted administration on the estate of Martin Statzer, deceased. Joseph Gray, John Carmack, Samuel Willson and Henry Turney to appraise the estate of Martin Statzer, ( page #1022).

      Statement from Prentiss Price, long a reseracher in East Tennessee history:
      1936. " Until October 1779, when the North Carolina line was extended west and Sullivan County, Tennessee erected, everything north of the Holston River was thought to be in Virginia, and the earliest records of the present Hawkins County are found in the Fincastle and Washington County records.

      Carmack, Wilson and Turney, we know positively to have been living in Hickory Cove, present Hawkins County, TN in 1778 and 1779, and since they were chosen appraisers, Statzer must have lived there or thereabouts too, and therefore John Criner was in Hawkins County in 1779.

      I do not know exactly where Criner was living in 1775, but it was certainly not the present Hawkins , but in Virginia, for there were no roads in the Hawkins County territory at that date. These two references in Sumners book, which starts in 1769, so John Criner must have come from some place before we find him in Fincastle. David Greiner and family lived in Staunton in the 1770's which might be a clue. Your reference to William Brice also shows that John Criner probably lived in Hickory Cove, for Bruce married Mary Brooks, only child of Castleton Brooks, who was killed by the Indians in Hickory Cove in 1777, and who owned land in that section. The headwaters of Caney Creek are in the cove and Stock Creek flows into Caney Creek near its mouth on the Holston River."

      In 1935 Kathleen Paul Jones and Pauline Jones Gandrud made a trip to Rogersville, the county seat of Hawkins County, TN, where it was found that there were no books of marriage records, only some loose bonds, and very evidently only a small part of those which had been issued in the early days of the county. We found none of any of the Criner family.

      Bett's History of Madison County, Alabama says that Joseph and Isaac Criner were brothers; but that is most surely in error. In Hawkins County, we found in Deed Book #6, page #168. Deed from the heirs of John Criner, deceased to A. Kincheloe, dated September 28, 1808, registered 17th June 1809. We, John Crinor, George Crinor, Sally Crinor, Rebecca Crinor, Hannah Crinor, Elizabeth Chambers and Thomas McBroom, heirs of John Crinor deceased, for the sum of $ 1,500 do convey land in Hawkins County on Bigg Creek adjoining a tract of land formerly, belonging to Henry Turney and described as follows: beginning on a red oak, , hickory and gum on the north side of the creek about half way between Nettle's and Taylor's improvement, running north 34 degrees west, 196 poles to two white oaks and ash, thence north 45 degrees east 70 poles to a hickory and two sourwoods, thence north 67 degrees east 30 poles to a large white oak and beach on Samuel Wilson's line ( etc ) Conveyed from Evan Shelby to Joseph Crinor and from Joseph Crinor to John Crinor; 396 acres agreeable to grant issued from the State of North Carolina to Evan Shelby 17th April 1780. But it is forever to be observed that whearas a part of said land is claimed by the heirs of Castleton Brook and likewise by Samuel Wilson, which said disputed part, we convey only our right and claim ( signed ) John Crinor
      Joseph Crinor, George Crinor
      her
      Sally Crinor
      Witnesses: mark
      Rebecca Crinor
      J. Haygood her
      Hannah Crinor
      Thomas Gillenwaters mark
      her
      Benjamin Caldwell, Elizabeth Chambers mark
      John Young,
      Thomas McBroom

      Note: Evidently Rebecca Criner was a widow, possibly Hannah had never married, also Sally and McBroom was, according to the law of that time, owner of his wife's portion. Tennessee did not require the wife's signature to a deed.

      Deed Book #4, page # 159. Joseph Criner of Hawkins County, Tennessee to John Criner, Sr. of the same county, land on the waters of Big Creek, being the tract conveyed me by Evan Shelby by deed dated 29th March 1794; 396 acres. Witness: Joseph Withers, Henry Turney, Deed dated 4 January, 1806; registered 21st August 1806.

      Deed Book #2, page #104: Hawkins County, TN. Deed from John Criner to Milton Ford, dated 9th
      September 1793, registered December 5,1793, for a consideration of three hundred thirty three on one third Spanish milled dollars, for 640 acres in Hawkins County on the north side of Stack Creek, a branch of the Holston River, bounded as follows: beginning at two white oaks on a small ridge, then
      due north 320 poles to two ashes, thence west 320 poles to a stake, then due south 320 poles to a stake; then due east 320 poles to the beginning.

      Signed: John Criner.

      Deed Book #2, page #173; Hawkins County, Tennessee, Dated 29th March 1794. Deed from Evan Shelby, Sr. of Sullivan Territory, south of the Ohio, to Joseph Crinder of county and state aforesaid. 396
      acres lying in Hawkins County, on Big Creek beginning at a red oak, a hickory and gum on the north side of the creek about halfway between Nettle's and Taylor's improvements, running thence north 34
      degrees west 196 poles to a white oak and ash, thence north 32 degrees east 80 poles to a black oak and two white oaks; thence north 45 degrees East 20 poles to a hickory and two sourwoods; thence north 67 degrees east 30 poles to a large white oak and beech along Samuel Wilson's line; thence along Henry Turney's line, south 51 degrees east 150 poles to two poplars and white oak; then south 64 degrees east 136 poles to a white oak and chesnut, then to the beginning.

      Some years ago, while in Nashville, TN , in the Land Grant Building searching for records...this was about 1927. On a table was a bunch of original documents, and on the very top was one was this one:
      " Sir, you will pleas to deliver my plat and arrents of two hundred acres in Hawkins County, State of
      Tennessee to Mr. William Brice also one of forty eight acres of John Criner's and in so dowing you will oblige your friends. July 30, 1802.
      ( Signed ) Jacob Sowders
      John Criner
      to the Secretary of the State of North Carolina at Raughlee.

      We ( Jones and Gandrud ) wrote to Raleigh about this, but the searcher they referred us to , asked $ 30.00 to look for it, so we did not employ him.

      We have nothing at all to show who John Criner's wife was. Apparently his children were John Criner, Joseph Criner, born February 15, 1767, died in Madison Co., AL October 15th ,1843, and buried at Nelson's Chapel in Killingworth Cove. He married in Hawkins Co., TN, Eleanor Ingram, b. July 20, 178...., died September 5, 1842, George Criner, Sally Criner, Rebecca Criner, mother of Isaac Criner ( one of Isaac Criner's descendants said she was told that Rebecca married a kinsman who came over with the Hessian troops, and knowing he had kin, either deserted, or maybe was discharged after the war, and hunted them up, then married his cousin. But documentary proof is not to be had. The family of Isaac Criner seemed not to know of any brothers or sister save Granville, many years his Junior, so we have felt there must have been others. And then, we got into correspondence with a Mr. J.C. Criner of Ft. Worth, TX whose ancestor John Criner ( Jr. ) was for a time in Lincoln Co. TN and who had brothers Joseph, George, Isaac and Granville. Probably Isaac was the eldest, and surely Granville the
      youngest, born July 18,1804. One suspects that Rebecca did not come to Alabama, until after her father's land was sold, when she brough her small son, and came to live with her oldest one. Her husband would have died 1803/04 leaving her a femme sole, and ablt to sign her own deed. There may have been some daughters, and probably were, but Mr. J.C. Criner's family were silent about them. Women did not count, especially in Tennessee.

      When in Raleigh in 1962 Mrs. Jac Countess copied three Revolutionary Land Grants to John Criner of Hawkins Co., TN

      Book #73, page #1 #69 Entered 10/6/1779-issued 11/26/1789, Entry # 1826 200 acres on north side of Holston River.

      Book #73, page #2 # 71 Entered 10/23/1783-issued 11/26/1789 Entry # 334 200 acres-same location
      as above.

      Book #75, page # 153 #97 Entered 12/17/1779-issued 12/16/1791 Entry #2358. 640 acres on the north side of Spock Creek.

      Mr. Prentis Price lives in Rogersville, TN and he was thoroughly familiar with what records they have left, but found nothing regarding Rebecca's husband. Had the wives been required to sign deeds, as in Virginia or Alabama, we might have been able to have identified him. He may have been one of the Joseph's or Johns who executed deeds, but if so there is no way to seperate him from Isaac's grandfather John, or his uncle Joseph. So he will remain a mystery.

      Running true to form, Isaac ( knowing, himself and having no thought for future generations ) simply put down in his Bible that Rebecca Criner " deceast" June 8, 1826. And he or his his family put up a tombstone, on Graveyard Hill in New Market, " In memory of Rebecca Criner, mother of Isaac Criner, died June 8,1826. " One wonders if this stone was not erected after Isaac's death, when his was :
      curiously, there was no marker for Isaac's wife, but surely she must be buried there, as it was an established cemetary at the time of her death.

      Going back to the children of John Criner, Sr., the Revolutionary soldier, he also had Hanna Criner, possibly a spinster, Elizabeth Chambers who was a widow of Mark Chambers; she had a son born as early as 1778. Then there was Thomas McBroom, husband of one of his daughters, who name is not mentioned. This Thomas McBroom of Grainger County, TN was the father of Stephen McBroom, who came to Madison County, AL and who was close kin to Isaac Criner, although his children seemed not to have told his neices the degree, apparently they were first cousins.

      As stated, we have only a tradition from another branch of the Criner family, as to the husband of Rebecca Criner; Hawkins Co., TN has no old marriage records, and Isaac was not at all careful to record items in his Bible that he kniw, but we do not , and have no way of finding out! Aunt Clara Moore said her aunts often joked about " the big in Germany, they could share if they'd go back and claim
      it" but...from whom? John Criner's side, or that of his cousin/son-in-law? Or possibly, both. Early Pennsylvania had many Criners or Kriners. John probably followed his fellow Germans to the Western part of Virginia, and worked from there down to East Tennessee, or rather at that time North Carolina.

      Nor do we have the exact date of the marriage of Isaac Criner and Nancy McCain...again because he did not put it in the Bible and through carelessness in the Probate Office under Judge Ferdinand L.
      Hammond in the 1850's the official record was entered incorrectly. Judge Hammond had all the older marriage records " copied "...of those purporting to have been done so, only " Book #C " has survived, which illustrates the incapability, or the irreponsibility of the man supposed to have done it, for in that space of not quite ten years, comparison of the " original" with the copy shows that ninety nine were entirely omitted. ..he'd take one on a page where were two, turn two pages together, almost every
      mistake which could be made and the dates err to. It seems that Books #1 and #2 were made up from loose bonds, since none or almost none, carry any notice of solemnization. He apperantly made a half hearted attempt to group them according to date, and left out a number we have learned are shown in Old Bibles. Since the County Clerk wrote a fearfully bad hand, perhaps it was that which caused the two errors in dates whe have found. One is " Aden " Ashburn to Mary Glover Rhea, shown as 25th October 1814. It has been well proven that she married after his death, Thomas Nesmith: They filed a petition for her dower, stating that " in 1811 said Polly married Edwin Ashburn. In November 1814 he died without issue, etc. The record shows " Isaac Criner to Nancy McCain, 23 November 1817". This very obviously should be 1814, as the two figures are often much alike, especially when a goose quiled pen was sued and by a poor penmanship. The Bible shows that their eldest child was born in August 1816. The obituary said they were married " about ", but one must assume the writer must have estimated that. Isaac was quite evidently one of those people who never was interested enough in his famly to talk about it, which trait was inherited by his grandaughters Clara and Elva...they never asked any questions at all. Not any, which seems incredible, although there are thousand like them, alas.

      Isaac Criner made deeds of gift to his children, in his old age. I have copied only the list of his heirs at law, shown i File #3415, in the Probate Office of Madison Co., AL and which is not of record, although
      the same information is recorded in the estate of Mahala Criner, the stong minded spinster daughter, who evidently " ruled the roost", firmly.

      She and her sweet gently sister Almyra ( Myra ) stayed with their father, and reared four motherless nieces. Old Isaac would not consent to the marriage of his youngest child, Martha Woodson, unless they agreed to live with him, so Mr. Moore gave up the work he was fitted to do, accounting...and settled down on the farm for which he had neither taste nor talent, to operate. When his wife died leaving, three little girls, Clara, Elva and Ena, he had to stay and lived his days out , on Mountain Fork. Cousin Lena said that after the girls had all left and he and Aunt Myra were alone they decided that rather than keep a woman there to play propriety, the would have a marriage of convenience, purely, with no romance" a part of it, and even spoke to old " Brother Power " to perform the ceremony. But Clara came home, and they told her...whereupon she ( much the same type as Mahala ) created a terrible scene and said if they did such a terrible thing she would throw herself into the Blue Hole and drown herself. So..they gave it up. When Howard was told of it he very unkindly said " They ought to have told her to jump right in. She never would have really done it."

      They raised cousin Susie Oaks also, who had lost both parents. Cousin Lena's father had died but her mother lived and she said that Aunt Mahala was never nice to them though Aunt Myra was a dear. Her mother had taughter her never to ask for food when visiting. Once when they were at the Criner's the other children came in, demanding bread and butter, which Aunt Mahala gave them. Noticing Lena had none, Aunt Myra asked why she had not given Lena some too? " She didn't say she wanted any",
      sniffed Mahaly. " Well, you know she is hungry, same as the others", said Aunt Betty, as she led her to the dining room. Cousin Lena was an old, old woman, but that slight still rankled her. They loved the childless Aunt Betty also....she was sweet and gentle and loved the children and was loved in return. Mama Jones never breathed a word to me about the frustrated wedding, but Cousin Lena was full of memories.

      The list of heirs of Isaac Criner, deceased, mentioned above, dated November 13,1879 is:

      1. Lucinda Criner Scott, wife of James Conn Scott, Marshall County, AL
      2. Mahala Criner
      3. Almyra Criner
      4. Elizabeth Flippen, wife of Newton Flippen, Madison Co., AL
      5. Mary Ann Robinson, wife of Seaborn Robinson, Johnson Co., TX
      6. Nancy Whiting, wife of Charles E. Whiting, Winona Co., Iowa
      7. Alonzo Scurlock, John Scurlock, DuannaWilborn, the wife of ______, Wilbourn and Adell
      Scurlock who are the children of Rebecca Scurlock, deceased of Johnson Co., TX
      8. James Criner, Samuel Criner, Nancy Farriss, wife of Thomas Farris of Johnson Co., TX, children
      of Alfred Criner, deceased. All the above are over 21 years of age.
      9. Charles Whiting, Eva Pike wife of ____Pike, over 21, and Stella Whiting, between 14 and 21,
      Winona County , Iowa and Children of Eliza Whiting.
      10. Lena Criner and Calvin Criner ( female ) between 14 and 21, Mrs. John Steele, guardian,
      Children of Calvin Criner, deceased.
      11. Martha Sue Criner, between 14 and 21, R.L. Pulley, Guardian, only child of McClure Criner,
      deceased.
      12. Clara D., Elvalena and Nannie E. Moore, residing in Madison County, Alabama with their father
      W.H. Moore, their Guardian, children of Woodson Moore deceased, daughter of the deceased.

      After many years and much kind help we have a little on the parents of Nancy McCain, wife of Isaac
      Criner. The obituary mentions the land her father lived on, since he did not patent it, and the certificate
      was assigned. It seems the Washington records do not show either residence of McCain, nor when nor by whom it was assigned. We presume he died in Shelby County, Alabama, but are by no means
      certain.

      Mr. Prentiss Price of Rogersville, TN sent us numerous items regarding John Criner-land grants, etc.
      He also sent this:

      Hawkins County, Tennessee. Deeds 1-90, from old Deed Book E page #70. 25th March 1791,
      ( Registered 2 March 1792 ) Robert McHean of Hawkins Territory South of the River Ohio, to Enock
      Morrisett of same County adjoining Captain Lee. James Ford and Thomas(X) MOss, witnesses. Signed also by Jean (X) McKean, who relinquishes her right of dower. Proved December Term 1791,
      James Ford.

      10 March 1792. James Dixon, Senior and ( Ann Dixon ) to John Morresette. James Ford and Robert
      McCaine, witnesses. ( Ibid 1-101 from E, page 80)

      Madison County, Alabama Census of 1816, shows Robert McCain.

      Mr. Will F Frank, now deceased of Birmingham, was very much interested in preserving history and especially Shelby County, Alabama. At one time he found some old, old papers in the Court House in
      Columbiana, which he had copied and gave us copies. When we asked the Probate Judge about them, he had no idea where they were.." Maybe up in the attic", which we were unable to investigate. Mr. Frank said he had to use high school girls and in one or two places they seem to have misread Jane, as James. But as Isaac Criner's receipt was among the papers, it is very evident that this Jane
      was the widow of Robert McCain, and that they were the parents of Nancy McCain Criner.

      A little more work needs to be done in Tennessee, to determine whether or not Robert McCain mentioned there, whose share was paid to an attorney in fact, I think I remember having been told, but cannot now find a reference...that there was a suit and settlement of this estate delayed. However, note that in 1798 this Robert was to be " schooled " and Nancy born in 1802, but in the age of young
      marriages she could have been the child of a young father. More search in Tennessee McCains need to be done.